Axle Swap

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:34 pm

Looks like the tie rod also could be longer so that not so much bolt is showing and provide more sturdiness
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Subject: Re: Axle Swap Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:12 pm

Will the CJ tie rod work? It looks like you left the CJ tie rod in. Thinking back on the axles whats the width difference with the stock CJ Dana 30 and AMC 20 vs the Toy axles?
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00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
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Subject: Re: Axle Swap Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:53 pm

Nester the ubolts a going to stay down for now I using my CJ spring plates with skids that I modified to fit. They have my shock mount on it. Later I have to get ford shock towers and I have a mounting position on top of the axle for the shock this can be done at a later date.
Nester,Tico :Yes right now I have the CJ tie rod there it is too short. They are Big Daddy rods very stout and I'm trying to use them. I just got my heim joints yesterday the inserts will add 1 1/2" to the rod if it works out I have to drill out the rod for the 1" insert then weld them in. The drag link is going to work this way I can use a tierod end on the pitman arm side and will not have to drill the pitman arm out.
Nester the springs are not a issue with the stearing
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81 cj7 258 HEI, MC2100,Clifford header,4WDH 4" lift, 33" tires, T-177, D300, 4:10 gears, aussie locker front and back, Toyota axles, Longfield 30 spline chromoly superaxles, BigDaddy rockers,Mastercraft seats, Full cage

2006 LJ all stock 3:73 gear LS dana 44 rear 4.0 L 6speed trans

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:52 pm

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94YJ locker/spool, lifted 37" MTR's lots of cool stuff (Trail rig)
00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

KARNAGE MOTORSPORTS INC.

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:12 pm

looks like the ford shock towers are coming sooner that later. The stearing stops are in the way of the stock shock location
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81 cj7 258 HEI, MC2100,Clifford header,4WDH 4" lift, 33" tires, T-177, D300, 4:10 gears, aussie locker front and back, Toyota axles, Longfield 30 spline chromoly superaxles, BigDaddy rockers,Mastercraft seats, Full cage

2006 LJ all stock 3:73 gear LS dana 44 rear 4.0 L 6speed trans

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:32 am

What are the Ford shock towers out of? Its is only a CJ thing or do they provide clearance and length for other jeeps?
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94YJ locker/spool, lifted 37" MTR's lots of cool stuff (Trail rig)
00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

KARNAGE MOTORSPORTS INC.

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:22 pm

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:08 pm

So they came off a F250. dud you buy them new for from and junk yard?
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94YJ locker/spool, lifted 37" MTR's lots of cool stuff (Trail rig)
00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

KARNAGE MOTORSPORTS INC.

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:19 am

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:27 pm

Update got the tie rod drill out for the heims

Pick up the shock towers today and order the last parts I hope!!!! that I need.

Test fitted the rear diff and getting things ready for my son to do the last of the welding needed

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81 cj7 258 HEI, MC2100,Clifford header,4WDH 4" lift, 33" tires, T-177, D300, 4:10 gears, aussie locker front and back, Toyota axles, Longfield 30 spline chromoly superaxles, BigDaddy rockers,Mastercraft seats, Full cage

2006 LJ all stock 3:73 gear LS dana 44 rear 4.0 L 6speed trans

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:06 am

Will the tie rod heim joints be placed in double shear? or bolted through a single hole on one side of the joint?

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:21 pm

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:48 pm

This is a description of double shear, click through the next button:
http://www.ijee.dit.ie/OnlinePapers/Interactive/Philpot/bolted_double.htm

A comparison of single vs double shear, down a page on this link and see illustrations:
http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Screws/Bolted_Joint.html

There has been discussion on many forums about the use of heim joints for steering components and the big argument is "they can be dangerous for street driving if not mounted in the double-sheer format."

Here is a good description "hmmm,how to describe double sheer without a pic?

when the mounting bolt passes thru 1 piece of metal underneath the joint,it is in single shear. if the ball popped out of the joint,it could fall off.there is 1 "shear point" with the bolt passing thru 1 piece of metal since it is not being supported on the opposite end.

if the mounting bolt passes thru a piece of metal,the joint,then another piece of metal it is in double shear. there are 2 shear points since the bolt has mounting supports on either side of the joint. this method is stronger and less likely to bend/break the mounting bolts,and has the added benefit of holding the jiont captive between the mounting points if the joint were to stretch enuff that the ball could pop out.

suspension links like control arms and traction bars are typically mounted in a double shear fasion.

it is much harder to fab a double shear setup mounts for steering linkages due to the limited spaceo nt he knuckle,steering arm,or pitman arm.this is pretty much why my links are all single shear,it was prety much impossible to make them double shear.

what alot of people will do is run a big "last chance" safety washer on the non-supported end of the mouting bolt. this obviously doesnt add any strength,but it does work to hold the joint captive if it stretches enuff for the ball to pop out. i did not even have enuff for this,as the washers would rub the tires-i have a pretty minimal amt of clearance with the steering links in the stock locations on the knuckles.

one thing id like to do is replace my bolts with some kind of grade 9 or better aircraft quality titanium bolts"

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:50 pm

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=19312
This shows good photographs of each example.

Subject: Re: Axle Swap Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:22 pm

Thanks Bill I understand now what your taking about. I could fab up something for the double shear. But for right now I think I will do the last chance washer for now. I trying to get this done for the Sept run. The jeep has been sitting in one place to long.
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81 cj7 258 HEI, MC2100,Clifford header,4WDH 4" lift, 33" tires, T-177, D300, 4:10 gears, aussie locker front and back, Toyota axles, Longfield 30 spline chromoly superaxles, BigDaddy rockers,Mastercraft seats, Full cage

2006 LJ all stock 3:73 gear LS dana 44 rear 4.0 L 6speed trans