How about this clubs direction?

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:03 pm

This pretty much sums up why I believe a separate club is not needed " A group of persons with a common interest organized for a social, literary, athletic, political, or other purpose " . Heck if you want to do that why split the club by the types of Jeeps. " A BROTHERHOOD OF OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS "
And the definition of Brotherhood "all those engaged in sharing a common interest ". I just do not see what purpose a separate club would serve. Now if we had enough members to support geographical divisions that would be understandable.
As far as meeting go I how valid or productive it could be being tagged on to a group outing. In the past car clubs I belonged to always had monthly or bi-monthly meeting separate from club function so no ones day got ruined by political BS, which sometime happens at club meetings.

Mark

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:57 am

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:41 pm

All right i'll throw my .02 then i'll shut up. First off having a board is pointless. What power would they have? To some it up they would have none. They would be more for show then anything, and this has been proven in the past. I'm going to take it a step futher and say having a president is pointless because when that person puts his foot down what can he do, nothing if the group of people he calls a club decides hes wrong. What makes a club work is when all the people in the club like each other and go out of their way to help each other. So basically what i'm saying is what makes the MRR a club is not that we all pay tico dues and he says that we can be in his club but the fact that we all like each other and get along. To prove this point if the MRR was dispanded tomorow would we all stop talking and wheeling together? We all know that awnser as NO. So the bottom line is if you want to keep this club going you need to make it a democracy were everybody has a equal say. Were important things a are brought up and round tabled till a happy medium is reached. A good example of this would be the ADA run. if the date would have been thrown up for a vote you would of seen alot better turn out. So now the question is do we continue on the way were going and continue fracuring out like we have been or do we change the way and adapt to a style that will hold up in the long term. I have no interest in being involved with the biggest club around but I do have a interest in being involved with people I enjoy to 4wheel with and socialize with.
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Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:46 am

I agree that the board should not be a Dictatorship...

But without dedicated jobs and individuals that are working to improve and make the club grow then nothing gets done and nothing gets accomplished..

How many people actually helped with the ADA run organization?

How many people actually showed up for the trail cutting?

How many people showed up for the Mid Atlantic meeting?

What happens if Rausch closes like Paragon did? Where are you going to wheel then? The clubs that are out there are helping to maintain what we have now.

Why did you join MRR in the first place??? Was it to find more people to wheel with? If the answer is yes and we dont continue to recruit and get new faces into the club than there will not be a place to find others to wheel with.

I just had a conversation with a guy today about another local club that was alot larger than it is now and due to some personality conflicts and lack of organization that club is loosing alot of its members..

We all get on here and talk about running blacks and rolling our rigs and breaking driveshafts and the new guys with the stock jeeps are looking at this and saying I cant take my daily driver out there and do that. Then if this continues how many members do you think will join next year? Wheeling with a club is alot more than running blacks every time out.

A club is not about just wheeling with a core group and excluding the rest of the people around you... Thats the problem....
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Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:56 am

first off the reason paragon closed was because the people who were renting the land to PAP decideded to sell that land. Their was nothing that anyone could do about that unless they were a judge hearing that case. And honestly if the people who own RC decide to do the same theirs not a damn thing we can do about it. Thats the reality of this world. As for trail cutting that was one day, in how many years. schedule a couple more before you can get an Idea of whos working on it and whos not. The ADA is a mute issue due to conflicting dates of other runs that club members wanted to attened. As for running the black trails, if that what some members want to do, thats what they want to do. Why should you stop them from doing it. we all pay good money to go up and wheel. why should those with the more capible rigs who have payed to make them more capable and payed to be in the park be obligated to run green and blue trails. Expecially when their are members of the club who don't mind running those trails with the new guys. Lastly why are you so worried about the new members, be more concerned about the ones you have. You make a great club with what you have others will want to join.
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Last edited by on Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:36 am; edited 1 time in total

Last post edited... Its not worth it.. You totally lost the point..

1. Never said you shouldnt wheel what you want.. Most harder runs are set up behind the scenes.. We all do it.. I said we should concentrate on newbie getting involved..

2. Never said Paragon was anyone's fault but their own.. Have you heard of certain clubs wheeling on private land? We need to get involved.

3. "Why am I concerned with the new guys".

--to quote a new guy without saying names..
"I was going to comment but I felt I was too new"

I enjoy the club and my OPINION is that we need to get more involved with club and help it grow.. My OPINION is that a board will help...
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Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:33 am

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:49 am

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:37 pm

What do you mean when you say Do you open your doors to everyone? Why not? As long as they meet the Bi-laws and treat everyone fair.

Would it be better to require meetings?

Joe said that a board is not necessary and you salute that with a beer but then you say that board needs more power..

I think there is more to the story here that I dont know and I dont think I want to know... jkfg

The Rausch trail cutting had nothing to do with benefiting Rausch. I went because I wanted to get involved. The point I was making was that if we get together and do some of the things other groups do to make 4 wheeling a better sport than that helps the 4 wheeling community and gets our club involved.
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Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:32 pm

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:42 pm

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:26 pm

Ladies and gentleman, the first thing you need to understand is that this is a private club with public interest. What does this mean? I founded this club to organize a group of friends into a club, that through our doctrine enable people to be responsive to the needs of the other guy or gal on the trails. As a club we have done a fantastic job of that and my expectations have gone beyond what I ever hope to achieve. The club guideline where establish as a guide flexible and with common sense thinking. I remember not long ago people would be saying “who these guys Maryland Rock Raiders”, today we are respected, sought after and looked up to our perseverance in staying a club. Those clubs that looked down at us, made fun of us are no longer around as a club; they have folded up and like a wind blew away. Yet we remain. When I applied for membership to the Mid-Atlantic FWDA, I was voted not qualified! Today I am the Vice president for that Association. Did it happen by accident, not, did it happend by choice, most probable and by experience. Our collective concerns for one another and even those we don’t know has really been the catalyst of the club. We are fun, we are flexible and we are not demanding nor are we to proud to help a new enthusiast. I do not believe in voting a person into the club for that very reason, it kills the persons hope, desire and drive to belong to something that they have in common with us already. While we do have to place some restrictions, they are there for legal reason only. I can not afford a legal battle for something I can prevent up front. 18 or older to join, on my introductory of the club, I mention that we are a 90% Jeep club and 10% other. Why did I do that? Because our collective mechanical aptitude is best on Jeeps, we carry most of the tools we need for them and they are easier to repair in the field.

We have met, worked with and welcome to the club some fantastic people, that if it had not been for the fact they rode with us, they would have never known us. Having said that we have been published in several magazines, we are known from Connecticut to Florida from the Eastern Shore to Washington State, and we continue to grow in areas not measurable by the members count. Now, who was running this club and how commitment did it take? Will the club proposed leadership have the same commitment ? Can they make timely desicions and not have to wait for a meeting or vote. Timely and decisive desicions are made at a snap of a finger. Can we afford to procrastinate to the last minutes to decide. Folks, I began this club with 7 people, but none of the other 6 made any efrfort to make this club rise to what it is today, except they did refer people to me to recruit, and look at us now 73 members strong and still growing. We average about a 20 to 30 % attrition per year that is expectred. Everyone has been met directly or indirectly by me and I only had to say no to two people since March 2004. That is 2 people that could not function with our profile. Many have come and gone, and those that have stepped aside have learned from us, some began their own small clubs, or they have had life changing moments. Some have returned to the club and are very active.

I do not mind endorsing a board of officer to run this club in fact I welcome it. I don’t mind giving up the President seat, as long as those who want to step up keep in mind that this is a community of enthusiasts that enjoy the unity and comradeship we share. I do not want to force anyone to make a meeting or the likes., I want to keep our unique recruitment ways. People join to have fun, if they want to run for an office I admire them and welcome their support, if they want to take us to the next level, I look forward to that. But under no circumstances will I ever allow this club to fail in its primary mission; to promote the sport in the best light and foster an off road brotherhood.

I agree that some times we need directors for the different areas that we cover North, East, South and West. We need a better meet and greet event to know who we are and what the heck we look like outside of the dirty dugs we wear or driving our Jeeps. You know when someone asks me about the club I am proud to tell them our beginnings and they appreciate it. I tell them how and why we got started, and they relate to it.

I hear a lot of talk, a lot of planning and a lot of great things goals. There was the matter of the Big Dogs date conflicting with the ADA. If you believe strongly in our cause you would not have thought about it in a selfish manner. Yet I did not frown on that, you guys did what you wanted to do, I carried out my plans for the ADA, we all enjoyed each activity as appropriate, and in fact we doubled the efforts with less people, an admirable accomplishment. My date was already established and committed; I could not have changed the date just to accommodate the wishes of a few. I can see that this will continue to be a thorn in my butt.

Unfortunately, no one can think like I do, see beyond what I see or plan as far ahead as I do. But please, prove me wrong! This is my club, and I have welcomed you to share in our accomplishments. Everything I do is for the betterment of the club. This club is an extension of me and my aspirations to belong to something great! We can move mountains or if not, we can drive over them!

Now that is my quarter!

I encourage all the members to be heard! Talk in this subject to your hearts content. This is call communicating ideas, possible changes and airing out. Give it to me babe!
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Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:34 pm

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There was the matter of the Big Dogs date conflicting with the ADA. If you believe strongly in our cause you would not have thought about it in a selfish manner. ... My date was already established and committed; I could not have changed the date just to accommodate the wishes of a few. I can see that this will continue to be a thorn in my butt.

The big dogs issue goes much deeper than just the date. We knew in March when the big dogs event was which was plenty of time to adjust the ada date. not for selfish reasons but insead I believe if we are gonna do this we are gonna do it right. that means set the date for when it has the best chance for success(how about diabetes awareness month?) and that means not when you have 200 vehicles attending big dogs. The date was only set at RC and wasn't announced to anyone else when you knew the big dogs date. Also in the "do it right" category is what the board discussed about spreading a list of 4x4 companies among the board to contact early in the year for donations before they made their annual commitment quota. That was never done either. If we are going to half ass the planning and just show up then I don't want to sit there and look like an ass being a board member and not knowing what is going on. This event could have been HUGE! Instead with one person doing the planning the whole event is dependent on the success of one person acting on behalf of the club.

Unfortunately, no one can think like I do, see beyond what I see or plan as far ahead as I do. But please, prove me wrong! This is my club, and I have welcomed you to share in our accomplishments. Everything I do is for the betterment of the club. This club is an extension of me and my aspirations to belong to something great! We can move mountains or if not, we can drive over them!

"Joe said that a board is not necessary and you salute that with a beer but then you say that board needs more power..."

What I saluted was his point about a board without power being pointless. He hit the nail on the head.

Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:14 pm

"Joe said that a board is not necessary and you salute that with a beer but then you say that board needs more power..."

What I saluted was his point about a board without power being pointless. He hit the nail on the head

Ok.......
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Subject: Re: How about this clubs direction? Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:23 pm

To get back to the original subject i dont think suzuki needs a separate club it's Maryland Rock Raiders 4x4 club not Maryland Rock Raiders jeep club plus once you do it for suzuki you'll have people with blazer's wanting there own club then people with bronco's etc. etc. how bout we just recruit people with vehicles other that jeep's

Quoting Matt:
Im all in..I WILL EVEN GET FIRST ROUND FOR EVERYONE THAT HAS PARTICIPATED IN THIS DISCUSSION UP TO THIS POST .. THAT INCLUDES SHOTS!!! I believe there might be discussion on having a Christmas party in the near future.. Lets just put a limit on how long the discussion shall last so that we dont cut into our drinking time.. king

that's not fair you left work before me