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Rockn93YJ moderator


 Number of posts: 2591 Age: 42 Localisation: Knoxville, MD Registration date: 2007-01-21
 | Subject: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:38 pm | |
| doing a 4-link setup rear and hopefully front with coilovers and stretch front and rear. I will be using Johnny Joints with 1 1/4 threaded shaft lowers and 1" threaded shaft uppers. What should I use for the link material? 1. Aluminum 2" lowers and 1.75" uppers and have them drilled and threaded. 2. DOM with threaded inserts with 2" diameter x 3/8 thick lowers and 1.75" x 3/8 uppers? Any other options? I fear with aluminum it may shatter if tweaked too much like I've seen on videos past whereas DOM can bend but not break.
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makitupthehardway moderator


 Number of posts: 2089 Age: 27 Localisation: Ashburn, VA Registration date: 2007-01-20
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:50 pm | |
| Is aluminum used for more strength or mainly just for weight? I would think your better off going with DOM and inserts. That way you have full control of the Fab work. With the alum. links you have to wait to order them till you do all your mock ups and then if you want them changed you have to send them back out. Also the added cost. If you were building a light weight rig I would say yeah don't cut yourself short and get the lightest, strongest you can get. _________________ 94YJ Tera low 4:1, 4:10's, HP D44 front locked, 8.8 rear locked, 37" Truxus M/T's, custom spring over front/spring under rear, along with other stuff (Trail rig) 00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler) 84 Toyota Pickup open front, welded rear, 63" chevy rear springs, propane injection, 37" mtr's, 4.7:1 Tcase 07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)
Proud member of MARR (if you don't get it don't ask, it will ask you)
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Rockn93YJ moderator


 Number of posts: 2591 Age: 42 Localisation: Knoxville, MD Registration date: 2007-01-21
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:03 pm | |
| good point. this is not going to be a lightweight rig. I was recommeded the aluminum for strength compared to DOM and the (weak) threaded inserts. I like the idea of being able to do the work myself and could fix it myself if there is breakage. I have seen aluminum shatter but havent seen a threaded insert come apart. I've seen DOM bend but at least you could get off the trail. Price for DOM is way cheaper. ALuminum stock is $27/foot for 2" 2024 and $18 for 6061. DOM is like $4-5/foot for 3/8" |
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SPP YJ Locker/Spool


 Number of posts: 413 Age: 31 Localisation: Stillwater,PA Registration date: 2008-04-10
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:10 pm | |
| You could always get DOM in a wall thickness that all you have to do is thread the DOM for your ends its heavier but stronger and much harder to bend and fail. Or chromoly tubing lighter but still strong, and cheaper than aluminum _________________ "PROVE IT OR SHUT UP"
Chuck
[/i]92 YJ Full width front D-44 W/ E-lock rear 9in W/spool 39.5 irocs With ROCKY II pet blow up turtle
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MonsterS10 Locker/Locker


Number of posts: 117 Age: 34 Registration date: 2009-01-22
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:24 pm | |
| alot of people use 2x2 1/4 wall square strong as hell and alot cheaper than the dom or chrom not a big fan of the alum its solid so if the threads fail u replace the bar not just a tubing bung |
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Rockn93YJ moderator


 Number of posts: 2591 Age: 42 Localisation: Knoxville, MD Registration date: 2007-01-21
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:08 pm | |
| | SPP YJ wrote: | You could always get DOM in a wall thickness that all you have to do is thread the DOM for your ends its heavier but stronger and much harder to bend and fail.
Or chromoly tubing lighter but still strong, and cheaper than aluminum |
What size would I use to do that? I thought they used solid links in order to drill/tap threads. |
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MonsterS10 Locker/Locker


Number of posts: 117 Age: 34 Registration date: 2009-01-22
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:07 pm | |
| Chrom tubing is not lighter its stronger it weighs the same as dom they use thinner in racing that way its lighter .balistic fab seems to have good prices on tubing bungs look at the wall thicknesses they have listed to match up the tubing size remember dillsburg doesnt usually carry real thick wall tubing |
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rockdw72 Locker/Spool


 Number of posts: 970 Age: 27 Localisation: north harford Registration date: 2007-01-20
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:41 pm | |
| take a look at the video that clayton posted that has clayton\'s buggy breaking the link it wasn\'t the aluminum link that broke it was the jj. one of the new jersey guys ripped out a tubing insert during the RCQ. ballistic makes a racing type insert that is longer so you can put multible plug welds to better hold it in. I would do DOM with those inserts, but if I had the money I would go with aluminum or thin wall cromo. A lot of people run 7075 aluminum. I don't really know what that means but I guess it is a stronger grade then 6061 so it will probably be even more. square is heavy and I kinda think it looks kinda hill-billy, no offence to people that run it  . And sqaure tubing does bend ask me how I know http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Race-Style-Chromoly-125quot--12-tpi-Tube-Adapter-15quot--175quot_p_1545.htmlalso this might be worth reading if you do go with aluminum http://marylandcreepers.com/showthread.php?t=1692 _________________ I'm dumb
My dog ate my turtle
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MonsterS10 Locker/Locker


Number of posts: 117 Age: 34 Registration date: 2009-01-22
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rockdw72 Locker/Spool


 Number of posts: 970 Age: 27 Localisation: north harford Registration date: 2007-01-20
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:48 pm | |
| edited cause I'm dumb  _________________ I'm dumb
My dog ate my turtle
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md4wheelin Locker/Spool


 Number of posts: 1441 Age: 30 Localisation: Towson, MD Registration date: 2007-01-21
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:22 pm | |
| Bill, I would build it to throw it away. From what i have seen, just about anything out there is prone to failure under the right condition, or if you abuse it long enough. I would go in with the idea that it was going to have to be replaced any way due to wear and tear, i would go with the easiest and cheapest to replace. Especially with rock racing, something will break every time your out and seeing that your not even trying to place, why not keep it cheap on your wallet. _________________ "A yahoo made dangerous with power tools"  MARR step up or step out Who me? I didn't do it and you can't prove it. Also by chance do you have a lighter? |
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thinga'ma'rig Locker/Spool


 Number of posts: 655 Age: 36 Localisation: Perry Hall, MD Registration date: 2007-01-23
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:03 pm | |
| check these joints out. 60 degree of flex instead of a jj at 35 degree. also has the 1.25 thread with a 3/4 bolt thru http://www.summitmachine.com/index.php?p=customParts&cp=jj THEY LOOK PRETTY BEEFY   THEY ARE ALSO REBUILDABLE _________________ DONT FOLLOW ME!!
1986 ford 1 ton drivetrain dana 60hp front welded, sterling 10.25 rear. enclosed in a tube frame. ford 460 bb engine on propane. auto c-6 tranny, np 205 transfer case. (it use to be a jeep thing. now its just a thing)
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Rockn93YJ moderator


 Number of posts: 2591 Age: 42 Localisation: Knoxville, MD Registration date: 2007-01-21
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:07 am | |
| I've seen those before. I like the JJ because they are rebuildable and fairly dependable. Won't need a lot of flex and the JJ should be good enough. I'm really liking those LONG weld in bungs. |
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thinga'ma'rig Locker/Spool


 Number of posts: 655 Age: 36 Localisation: Perry Hall, MD Registration date: 2007-01-23
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:45 am | |
| THEY ARE ALSO REBUILDABLE. KIT IS LIKE 15.00......BUT THEY SEEM TO BE MORE MONEY AS WELL  _________________ DONT FOLLOW ME!!
1986 ford 1 ton drivetrain dana 60hp front welded, sterling 10.25 rear. enclosed in a tube frame. ford 460 bb engine on propane. auto c-6 tranny, np 205 transfer case. (it use to be a jeep thing. now its just a thing)
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MonsterS10 Locker/Locker


Number of posts: 117 Age: 34 Registration date: 2009-01-22
 | Subject: Re: what link material? Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:15 am | |
| bill i think that the best thing would be Alumi lowers & dom uppers & try to make all lowers & uppers same length front & rear that way u only need 1 spare upper & lower to save cost |
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