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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:42 pm

Are you going to run disks in the rear

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:45 am

I saw quite a few kits available and seriously considering it. I'm going to look at the brakes and if I need to replace a bunch of stuff then I'm going to do disc brakes. cost looks like around $300-$400.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:24 pm

Yep, just bought a kit off ebay.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:26 pm

Hmmm, new plan again. the bronco axles suck and won't hold up to the 454 so they have to go. 4" lift springs which are spring over are coming off. I plan on running 39-42" tires. So I've gotten some work done. the 454, 700r and 231 are installed and just waiting for a new belly pan to be fabricated. I've moved to the rear axle. It is a 79 Ford D60 full floater 66.5" wms to wms. Yeah I know it has the small 1.3" ish axle shafts but thats ok, good foundation to start from. Later I'll upgrade to the 35 spline stuff with the gear and locker install. The drum brakes are coming off and I've purchased a disc brake conversion kit. The small perches are coming off and so are the stock shock mounts. I bought a pair of MORE anti wrap leaf perches which are 7" long and have several center pin holes to allow moving the axle forward/back if needed. For leaf springs I'm going to use stock XJ springs and add another leaf in there from some YJ springs I have laying around. I have no rear bumper so I plan on purchasing the Blue Torch Fab shackle/bumper kit for xj springs. This will stretch the rear about 6". I will be building an anti-wrap bar from scratch for the rear axle. For the front I don't have a front bumper so the BTF full width kit will meet my needs. For leaf springs I'll run the Wagoneer 7 leaf spings and stretch the front about 2" forward. The front axle is a 79 Ford D60 that needs rebuilt, brakes are seized of course. the front axle width is 69.25" wms to wms. plan is to run about 5 1/2 inches backspacing in the front to suck the tires in some. steering will be a high steer setup with PSC double arm on the passenger side and single arm on the drivers side flipped backwards so the tie rod can be moved behind the axle and drag link in front of the axle.(I haven't ruled out just doing full hyd steering) Hopefully someone out there will let me know if there will be interference in the steering components that won't allow me to do this. Fuel tank is coming out and I'll be installing a fuel cell behind the rear seat. If I'm missing something then let me know.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:46 pm

sounds like a good plan. I am undecided on the full hydro idea also. may want to look into after market knucles. After hearing stories of what a friend of mine went though the first time he took his jeep out on his d60 it would be worth the extra $$$.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:29 pm

I did hear the Ford knuckles are a little weaker than the others and should be upgraded but you are the first person that has acknowledged seeing someone with breakage problems there. Also considering 14bolt instead of the rear 60 if I can find one which (reportedly) came with 4:56 gears and a detroit locker in stock form.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:29 pm

Why are you scared of a 60 in the rear I think there are alot more aftermarket upgrades for them I am kinda thinking of in the future goin to 60s front and back. 14bolts are beefy but you loose clearance.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:21 am

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Why are you scared of a 60 in the rear I think there are alot more aftermarket upgrades for them I am kinda thinking of in the future goin to 60s front and back. 14bolts are beefy but you loose clearance.


I've been told "there's no way on gods green earth that a D60 in stock form will stand up to the 454 and 40" tires". Just looking at the least expensive options since nothing is lost at this phase. If I could find a 14 bolt with 4:56 gears and a locker for a couple hundred then why invest in the D60 for boring the spindles, purchase of 35 spline shafts, purchase of gears, purchase of a locker and installation? I agree about the clearance issues. I'll probably stick with the 60 and do the upgrades/gear change after it is running.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:58 pm

I will look around up here for a 14 bolt my buddy has a few of them but not with those gears. You should put rockwells under it 9 that would be sweet they would hold up .

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:04 pm

wouln't that be too much added weight for a mudder? (rockwells)

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:26 pm

Yeah, way too much weight. Don't waste your time on the 14 bolt. I'm going to spend the money and upgrade the 60. I won't have any trouble selling the stock shafts. I'm going to fix the YJ this weekend since the ARB parts came in. the D60 parts will be in next week while I am away so I'll have plenty to do when I get back from VA beach.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:50 pm

Rockwells are added weight but I have 3 friends that are serious about runing in mud that run them and they are runing small blocks in fullsize trucks if you look at the pics I posted bouit mikes mudbog the dually gmc the tracker and the ford with the flatbed all run 2.5tons they are awesome Axles for the mud Bill when you get that jeep done you will have to come up here and run it in Mikes pit ..

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:04 pm

sounds good to me. My goal is to have it done for the local Frog Eye Road mud bog in late August.

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:37 am

where is this mikes mud pit, maybee iff you go up there bill, i can join you in my jeep or buggy. i would like to see how your beast does. mbn

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PostSubject: Re: Project "Mud Bandit" dedicated mud bogger   Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:59 pm

sounds like fun. I'm gonna wear that pit out! If I ever get this damn thing done. Hard to do summer projects when there is so much to do like fishing and golfing. Leaving for Va beach on tues through sun.

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