Dana 44 steering setup?

Subject: Dana 44 steering setup? Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:39 pm

Okay guys time for the next question on my future setup.

So I'm going to be installing the Dana 44 front soon in the YJ. The question is do I need to do a high steer setup? I'm leaving it Spring under Axle and I'm pretty sure its not going to need a high steer setup. Thats what I'm thinking anyway because a high steer setup will just get in the way of the flex. I'm also trying to figure how to work my tie rod-drag link setup. So ideas and pictures will help a lot. Thanks guys.
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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:19 pm

I found a link to someone that has all the parts I need to make my own as a kit. I will have to figure cost differences to see if its worth it and if it will even work.

http://independent4x.com/item.html?UCIDs=839915%7C1218687&PRID=1394920
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84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:30 pm

I have the GM reamer for the one tie rod end and pitman arm if you want to use it.

Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:42 pm

Well if I need it yes I would love to use it. This stuff is fairly new to me. It makes sense as to how everything should work but double checking here with you guys will help my make sure I have everything to make it work the right way.
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84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:08 pm

I don't know a whole lot about leaf springs but what would the clearence issue be with hi steer.

I would think this way would be best for leaves and I wouldn't think you would have to run a track bar. even though this is sping over it should still work because that is where the tie rod is now

this is called cross over steering and the link that you posted is called inverted T if you want to do any shearches for better pics

Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:38 am

Im happy with my setup but it ended up costing a decent amt. There were some cheaper kits out there as far as choices for the flat top knuckle mounts but I liked the poison spyder customs stuff and got everything from them (i got too confused trying to mix and match places). The place you can save some money is on the flat top knuckle mounts but i liked the poison spyder ones. Unfortunately the one knuckle needed to be machined to accept the mount which wasn't cheap. Other than that it was the 2 lengths of tubing and the weld in tie rod inserts. I debated tie rod or heims and ended up choosing tie rod ends since I thought they would last longer. If I streeted it a little less i think i would have went heims. That and combined with the mud i still find my way getting into from time to time. I was concerned with clearance issues turning on mine with the tie rod and drag link but everything squeaked by just fine. There are some adjustability options on the flat top mounts. If i remember correctly poison spyder had detailed views and descriptions. I don't want to look because i'm gonna end up buying rocker knockers or corners. Oh yah...no track bar necessary - or steering stabilizer - or swaybar
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either type of steering will work fine for you. nothing will get in the way of flex or anything like that because it all moves with the axle. you can keep the stock sttering, do cross over, or full high steer. any of them will work.
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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:31 pm

Not running a Spring over axle. I'm thinking that a high steer setup will hit the frame rails when I flex out. But a standard setup should work just trying to figure which is best.
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00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:25 pm

the cross over will work for both soa and sua.

Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:14 pm

Yeah I was talking to Nick about this last year and with his Yj SOA and mine SUA I should do just fine with out the track bar as long as I have sway bar disconnects for when I'm on the street. Nick runs okay without the track bar as long as his sway bar is connected. I think I will put the track bar off cause setting up the sway bar is easy and I wont have to spend the money on building a new track bar

next question is what do you guys think hiem joints or TRE's its mostly trail use rig with the nice day outside or snow on the road driving. I tow it long distance unless the weather sucks then I will street it to PA to wheel. My rig isn't a trailer queen

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94YJ locker/spool, lifted 37" MTR's lots of cool stuff (Trail rig)
00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:22 pm

I edited and wrote all that for nothing. well if people can even understand my jibberish they can use it for their builds, it is the same priciples for coils except less binding and track bar is needed. most of the time

Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:37 pm

No swaybar for me sir. I also tried the track bar but it was an inferior design trying to make the old work with the new. I suspect a lot to do with it would have been the length of the track bar (if i'm translating matt's jibberish correctly) Actually rich and i talked about it a bit and the length along with the type of mount on the axle were my problems. I think it was nester's rig that had a nice track bar mount (??). Anyway after breaking the track bar off a few times and driving home at 70+ w/o it I figured it wasn't necessary anymore - same with the swaybars. My steering upgrade is up there with the 4:1 and front locker. I'm also going to do the durango steering box upgrade to hold me over till the money tree sprouts out back so i can do the psc hydraulic setup.

Like I said nester i chose the tre's for the reasons in my other post.
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'92 YJ 1.5" RE SOA, 2" body, 37" Krawlers, D44 ARB, 8.8 ARB 4.88s, 4:1, Poison Spyder Hi-Steer, On-board Air

Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:05 pm

When you do the durango box let me know..I picked up a reman a few weeks ago and the part number must of been loaded in the system wrong.. I got it for $85. Even the receipt showed the same number. No one was even close to that price.
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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:59 pm

Bump. I picked up the Axle from Dave at Full Circle Saturday. I will be working on this in the month to come so I can get it done and back to working on my Toyota.
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94YJ locker/spool, lifted 37" MTR's lots of cool stuff (Trail rig)
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84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

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Subject: Re: Dana 44 steering setup? Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:08 pm

Okay I'm still looking for the steering hardware I have a couple of ideas. I think I need to borrow the reamer from matt for the pitt man arm but not sure just yet. I'm trying to find a kit that comes with all the parts I need. I will call around in the morning, but if anyone has any info please post. thanks
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94YJ locker/spool, lifted 37" MTR's lots of cool stuff (Trail rig)
00WJ open/open, lifted 31" MTR's (curbcrawler)
84 Toyota Pickup open/welded, 33's solid front axle and rusted frame
07 FORD E350 SD (TOW VAN)

KARNAGE MOTORSPORTS INC.