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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:52 pm

So now I'm wondering How far I can stretch it? Ideally I want to stretch the front as far as possible and not so much for the rear. That way the motor is centered a little more within the wheelbase.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:37 pm

you dont want to throw it too far forward some is good but to much takes away from traction on hill climbs

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:29 pm

Having a tranny built in Westminster, ordered it today. Opted for a TH400 that will mate to a 203 transfer case. Opted for the low gear set for a 2.75 1st gear, reverse manual valve body. I will be doing a chevy 203 to ford 205 doubler. I know it's heavy but I'm not in it to win, just to compete and have fun without worries about it falling apart on me. Shopping for a shifter now and looking for a 203.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:51 pm

glad to hear you will beusing the 205 mbn

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:55 pm

It will be a heavy SOB but if your driveshafts can hold up you will be able to treat the CJ just like the YJ. 9

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:41 pm

good point, i haven't given the driveshafts much thought yet. I know I will have to change length so i will likely beef them up while I'm at it.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:59 pm

I would go with balanced square, which is almost bomb proof as far as the shaft is concerned.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:04 am

is there such a thing

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:44 am

since you will be traveling at higher speeds than normal, I don't like to say this but, you prob. should consider spending the money and having a shop make one for you that is truly balanced, i am sure that they can make one for you that will handle the stress on your abuse lk also i believe that they can use almost any thickness tubing on the shaft ,within reason rabbit

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:34 am

1410 u-joints with with heavy wall dom tubing
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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:35 am

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:19 pm

rockdw72 wrote:
is there such a thing

yes, they use them on tractor pto's

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:33 pm

ordered teh Art Carr reverse pattern shifter for TH400

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:38 pm

md4wheelin wrote:
I would go with balanced square, which is almost bomb proof as far as the shaft is concerned.
Where do i go to look into this?

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:05 pm

I don't know of a driveshaft shop that will balance a square shaft most tractor pto's only run 550 rpm think about the high speed. square shafts are very strong but i don't think it would be good for racing
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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:46 pm

here are some good pointers for the build bill. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=822911

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:20 pm

[quote="rockdw72"]here are some good pointers for the build bill. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=822911[/quote

thanks but I already subscribed to that thread.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:09 pm

update:
I have the tranny and shifter back, bought some tubing and now looking for an opportunity to dive in. most likely it will be in January though. giving more thought to the build.

Going to run a doubler behind the TH400 but still looking for a chevy 32 spline 203 transfer case. Have to go chevy 203 to ford 205 doubler to keep the tcase drivers drop. this will allow running in 2:1 for the higher speed sections and a top speed of 62 mph. Not that I'll be going that fast but it will allow good use of all the tranny gears. if there is a long section for wide open racing then i can go 1:1 in the tcase. for the crawl sections i can switch both tcases to low and gives me a 4:1 ratio for a 41 crawl ratio plus the effects from the torque converter. Should be plenty since I'm not doing slow crawl racing. Only downside is that this setup is HUGE and weights about 250#. Cost will be about 1/3 of the atlas cost though and I'm not worried about being super light weight and winnning any races. IF I can find a 203 tcase.

I've been thinking about the lack of visibility in the front end and may just remove the fenders, hood, and grill and tube it out making the hood as low as possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:22 pm

The guy i buy axles from says he might have a TH400 & 203 if he does he said 200$
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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:54 pm

if in good condition then I will take it.

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:51 am

anyone know if the 27 spline 203 has the same bolt pattern as the 32 spline version? Thinking of getting a 27 spline version that is available and swapping the shaft out for the 32 spline shaft. seals the same size?

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:59 am

I think the bolt pattern is the same i think if you call ORD the sell the correct input for the 203
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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:25 pm

Some good coilover tech for when the time comes. Might take out some guess work. probably have seen it already.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=839675

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Phase 2 Mud sucks, I'm going racing!   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:29 am

203 rangebox and adaptor for the TH400 has been purchased . now shopping for the doubler kit.

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