Axles

So... in my research I found this...

Last year I bent the mounts on my 30... and they had to be replaced (Rusty's)... but the old ones were still there...

Would this 44 even be worth looking at because of the cost of new mounts?

Just a thought...

http://www.rc4x4.org/rcforum/index.php/topic,2561.0.html

I suppose I could sell the 30 to recoupe... but who would want it ...

Which means cut off these mounts for the 44... or are the mounts different because of tube size... hmmmm

Not that it matters... bought a month yet before I can move on more parts with everything going on right now...

you could always buy it for $900 then resell the 8.8 to recoup the money on the front 44. or sell the d44 in the back of yours so you don't have to regear your d44 to match the front 44. That and in my IMO the 8.8 is a stronger axel then the d44.

8.8 is stronger than Dana 44 but not worth the head ache, money or time when you can build the stock axle. Know if you can get that package with all the stuff it would be worth it.

You still interested in the tires right?

makitupthehardway wrote:

You still interested in the tires right?

Umm... that meant absolutely

mrjeepy wrote:

makitupthehardway wrote:

You still interested in the tires right?

Umm... that meant absolutely

Good cause the deal is on. There yours when your ready

8.8 stronger than a dana 44 I beg to differ there a ton more parts,easier to find and cheaper to build a dana 44 just my thoughts

hmmm i'm going to have to differ on that

Specs:
Dana 44 - 30 spline, 1.31" diameter shafts, 8.5" ring gear, 2.75" axle tube
Ford 8.8 - 31 spline, 1.32" diameter shafts, 8.8" ring gear, 3.25" axle tube

as for easier to find i'm going to have to differ on that also. How many explorers were built with 8.8 in the rear compared to jeeps. every explorer had one compared to the wagoners, a few xjs and all rubicons. As for aftermarket parts i'm pretty sure there is more for the rear 8.8 due to the fact that explorers, rangers, and some f150's came with them. But wait the rubicon 44 is weaker then a real d44 do to the fact that it has a smaller ring gear. Sure that 8.8s in the crown vics and other cars came with a smaller spline count, but were not counting those.

c-clips are gay

jealos-z wrote:

8.8 stronger than a dana 44 I beg to differ there a ton more parts,easier to find and cheaper to build a dana 44 just my thoughts

I differ.

8.8 has larger housing and disc brakes if you find the last model 8.8's out of the explorers. They also have 31 spline shafts that is one spline count over the Dana 44

Dana 44 on the other hand has 30 splines which is not bad compared to the 27 spline Dana35. I believe also that they are lighter comaired to the 8.8. Rob is correct about the parts thing. you can build a Dana 44 to have 33 splines and chromo shafts for a good bit cheaper than the 33 spline Super 88 kit that they sell.

As for me when I went with the fact that it is a was bolt in and weld on shock tabs and it already had disc brakes and Cheap. For Tony I bleieve different for the Dana 44 biggest reason its already in the jeap. and is plenty strong to hold up with a locker and easy to upgrade as he goes along down the road.

makitupthehardway wrote:

jealos-z wrote:

8.8 stronger than a dana 44 I beg to differ there a ton more parts,easier to find and cheaper to build a dana 44 just my thoughts

I agree but differ in ways.

8.8 has larger housing and disc brakes if you find the last model 8.8's out of the explorers. They also have 31 spline shafts that is one spline count over the Dana 44

Dana 44 on the other hand has 30 splines which is not bad compared to the 27 spline Dana35. I believe also that they are lighter comaired to the 8.8. Rob is correct about the parts thing. you can build a Dana 44 to have 33 splines and chromo shafts for a good bit cheaper than the 33 spline Super 88 kit that they sell.

As for me when I went with the fact that it is a was bolt in and weld on shock tabs and it already had disc brakes and Cheap. For Tony I bleieve different for the Dana 44 biggest reason its already in the jeap. and is plenty strong to hold up with a locker and easy to upgrade as he goes along down the road.

Matt, C clips are gay.

I think with all the .01 differences and 44s have no c-clips and parts are cheaper and alot easier to find, it is a personal prefference.......

rockdw72 wrote:

c-clips are gay

c-clips are not gay when you have disk brakes because the broken axel does not fall out. but wait you xj and tj guys wouldn't know anything about that because disk were stock on the zjs with the d35 and 44a and on the 8.8's after 95 i think.

I took a 9in out of my jeep to put the 44 in cuz the 9in kept breaking and I didnt like my jeep poisioned with ford parts.......

Come on Nick.. I know you want to enter this conversation...

Considering I have a 44 in the front and a 8.8 in the rear I cant say either one sucks...

I think it all depends on the components and what you do to truss up the rear.. Just like anything else in the world the more attention you put to it then the better it is.. 8.8's are getting very popular as far as finding the housings but the 44's have more available aftermarket parts..

I have had Dana 60's in one rig and a 9inch in another... I absolutely hated the 9 design..

If you take the time to design a 44 or a 8.8 the right way it will handle plenty of hp and abuse.. my 44 has been retubbed and trussed and my 8.8 is also trussed. I did spin 9 teeth off the ring gear on the 8.8 but I was stupid and played dumb with the skinny pedal when I was binded up. If I wasnt running mosers than I think the axle would of let go first.. It pays to run the right internals..

Nick and I have been discussing the 8.8 issue for a few weeks now and I just found a 8.8 in a buggy that I think was designed very well.. I wont waste the money for the 60 anymore unless I am running a small block with some extra hp..

As for the c clips.. I agree I hate em.. I wanted to run the eliminators on my 8.8 but they were not available for the 95.. When running a 5.13 on the 8.8 u actually have to grind the pin.. 4 bolts are much better than the pin...

That is one sexy setup...you gotta keep showing me that don't you! Anyway 8.8 vs. 44 seems to be a stupid argument although as far as faults go I can think of 2 off the bat for the 8.8.


#1 the c clip
#2 the tubes spinning - although easy fix with a bead around them


Not up on the tech for the 44 but I can say I've been running the 8.8 for 4-5 years now and...(not gonna say it...i have a lot of wheeling to do this month). My buddy jason broke the carrier in his on the street but he was participating in drunk redneck activities.

oh yah and #3 it's a ford part

ford parts can do the crack at crawler ridge bring it

SPP YJ wrote:

ford parts can do the crack at crawler ridge bring it

just remember its ford parts that get you through the trail and its usally a ford that gets the non ford parts home when they break

Personally I like my Ford axles in my Jeep. Then it gets pulled home by a Ford. Its just personal opinion at that point but I will give the easy brake setups to a chevy for the front end but the 8.8 disc setup is super easy and has a built in E-brake that works perfect.

Hey now watch the Ford jokes Chuck

Just to stir you up again Rob....

Are the 8.8 shafts stronger than Dana 44 shafts? Yes, also the bearings, pinion and ring gear are also much larger.
Axle shaft Strength and output torque rating by Warn and 4 Wheeler

The axle shaft strength tested by Warn Ind:
F8.8= 6,500 (lb. ft.)
D44= 4,600-5,000 (lb. ft.)
D35C= 4,000-4,300 (lb. ft.)

COT: Continuous output torque rating
MOT: Maximum output torque rating

(Numbers from January edition of Fourwheeler, page 60.)
Dana 35 rear axle COT: 870 MOT: 3480
Dana 44 rear axle COT: 1100 MOT: 4460
Ford 8.8 28spline COT: 1250 MOT: 4600
Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100
Dana60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500]

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674123

Link from Matt...good info in there

Is that with chromoly axles and it not worth it I tired of cry babies

hahaha

good question with the chromos...i was assuming that's stock

I assumed it was stock axles when I first found it because I dont think they could rate aftermarket axles as one specification. Aftermarket are bound to have different strenghts per manufacture.

Honestly the specs surprised me...

Thats stock. I remember reading the article in jp